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Eet GnomeSmasher · Jan 13, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Stop complaining that Factions players get 4 slots.

GW and Factions are meant to be differant games; stand-alone. You get 4 slots if you play only GW. You get 4 slots if you play only Factions.

Sorry, but using your reasoning that because GW and Factions are different games then 5 slots for TWO different games makes no sense. If indeed they are two different games (which they are) then why is having 8 slots such a stretch? You yourself said that you get 4 slots for GW and 4 for Factions....do the math when you add those slots together.

People pay for two different games so why wouldnt they get double the amount of slots? Tell me that.

But I dont hold out hope for 8 slots total nor will I throw a fit if that's not the case, but 5 slots total only is pretty ridiculous.

Loviatar · Jan 13, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

People pay for two different games so why wouldnt they get double the amount of slots? Tell me that.

But I dont hold out hope for 8 slots total nor will I throw a fit if that's not the case, but 5 slots total only is pretty ridiculous.

check my math if you would please. im tired

chapter 1 gives 3 slots for 3 characters/6 professions plus one free for PVP

if chapter 2 follows exactly the same pattern we will get the following.

4 slots for 4 characters/8 professions plus one free slot for PVP.

i am hoping to get 2 additional slots but if my math is correct it looks like 1 new slot.

please no flames as this is an observation not my opinion

Zaklex · Jan 13, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by CKaz

I can't tell you how pissed I am right now.
Preview gives you NO slots. SNIP

Use the free access code to create another account, the access code is unlimited, why do you think there is an access code for a single weekend event.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jan 13, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

check my math if you would please. im tired

chapter 1 gives 3 slots for 3 characters/6 professions plus one free for PVP

if chapter 2 follows exactly the same pattern we will get the following.

4 slots for 4 characters/8 professions plus one free slot for PVP.

i am hoping to get 2 additional slots but if my math is correct it looks like 1 new slot.

please no flames as this is an observation not my opinion

I see the reasoning there... but it doesnt make it a good choice for ANET to take. It would be a decision that would divide choices for PVE and PVP even further...

Having only 5 slots is fine for a PvP only player. Creating two separate accounts might be fine for a PvE only player to get the extra slots.... but what about the poor sap like me who plays both? Neither option looks good to me.

And given the further emphasis on merging PvE and PvP this choice seems strange.

Mo/R9 · Jan 14, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Stop complaining that Factions players get 4 slots.

GW and Factions are meant to be differant games; stand-alone. You get 4 slots if you play only GW. You get 4 slots if you play only Factions. Factions isn't meant to be an expansion pack, per se. Why would the purposedly make their sequel worst than the first? If you get both, you have 5 character slots... FOREVER. You think it doesn't cost money to store character data?

While I, too, would like more character slots, you have to remember that GW is saving us money by not having a subscription fee to maintain the servers. I don't think 5 slots is too little. Hell, if you play all your characters to the fullest (get every skill on one character, optimize the characters variety of weapon and armor sets, do all missions), then 5 won't seem like too little.

When it comes down to it, 4/5 character slots is a pretty big bang for our buck, and it'd be ridiculous (imo) not to buy the new chapter based soley on the character slots.

Wow, just, wow. I'm amazed at the number of posts saying "Factions isn't an expansion, it's a sequel and isn't supposed to add on to Guild Wars" or "Factions is just an expansion, you need the original game to play it".

It is neither of those things.

It is a game that exsisting players can merge with the first Guild Wars and a game that new players whom don't wish to pay for both the first Guild Wars and Factions can also play by itsself.

It does both, it can be used as an expansion OR as a standalone game.

Loviatar · Jan 14, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Mo/R9

It does both, it can be used as an expansion OR as a standalone game.

like each book in your favorite series.

each book has a beginning, a storyline, and a closing leaving open the next book in the series but will give a good read just by itself.

but each additional book you have makes the experience richer and fills in little gaps.

wolver1ne · Jan 14, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by BigTru

You think it doesn't cost money to store character data?

It sure does... However the amount of data for a full account with 4.. heck even 6 PvE characters loaded fully with random items and a full storage wouldn't be more than say 10MB, which is A LOT for some raw database data. And even it's 10MB, price per MB would be less than a dollar at most, resulting in say 5 bucks for a whole acount. Surely, there're the maintenance fees and whatnot.. but that aside.. getting 1 extra slot for your existing account, even if it's still in the air or as some say uncertain and false, is just ridiculous and unfair nevertheless.

Loviatar · Jan 14, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by wolver1ne

Surely, there're the maintenance fees and whatnot.. but that aside.. getting 1 extra slot for your existing account, even if it's still in the air or as some say uncertain and false, is just ridiculous and unfair nevertheless.

2 things.

1 you are simply throwing out figures as you have no access to their books.

also multiply whatever that cost is by 1.x million accounts hopefully to soon be 2.x million accounts when china/japan come into release

2. the Anet rep herself said that the figure of one slot was a month old when they put it to press and it STILL has not been decided.

conclusion for me is that the cost is higher than you guess as if it was actually that cheap they would do it to make more customers happy rather than giving as few as they can

funbun · Jan 14, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Mo/R9

Wow, just, wow. I'm amazed at the number of posts saying "Factions isn't an expansion, it's a sequel and isn't supposed to add on to Guild Wars" or "Factions is just an expansion, you need the original game to play it".

It is neither of those things.

It is a game that exsisting players can merge with the first Guild Wars and a game that new players whom don't wish to pay for both the first Guild Wars and Factions can also play by itsself.

It does both, it can be used as an expansion OR as a standalone game.

Well, said. GW specializes in not fitting the mold.

wolver1ne · Jan 14, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

also multiply whatever that cost is by 1.x million accounts hopefully to soon be 2.x million accounts when china/japan come into release

100 bucks for 2 chapters. Multiply that.

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2. the Anet rep herself said that the figure of one slot was a month old when they put it to press and it STILL has not been decided.

I'm obviously aware of that, hence why I said, and I quote myself "even if it's still in the air or as some say uncertain and false"

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conclusion for me is that the cost is higher than you guess as if it was actually that cheap they would do it to make more customers happy rather than giving as few as they can

If it was about costs and Anet would wanted to make customers happy (not that they are not happy already.. I'm quite happy with the way things are), they would have already made it possible for customers to buy more slots (say 2 max) for say 10 bucks a slot; there're enough people that would pay that money just for that. I'm not convinced it's about costs. 100 bucks a year, around 8 bucks a month is very much the right price for that type of game, compared to games like WoW or Lineage.

generik · Jan 14, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by wolver1ne

It sure does... However the amount of data for a full account with 4.. heck even 6 PvE characters loaded fully with random items and a full storage wouldn't be more than say 10MB, which is A LOT for some raw database data. And even it's 10MB, price per MB would be less than a dollar at most, resulting in say 5 bucks for a whole acount. Surely, there're the maintenance fees and whatnot.. but that aside.. getting 1 extra slot for your existing account, even if it's still in the air or as some say uncertain and false, is just ridiculous and unfair nevertheless.

Storage is infinitely cheap nowadays. I dare say the cost of the hard drive/storage/backup mojo that is used to store our character data is essentially negligible.

What really costs money is.. bandwidth, but one user can only login once at a time!

What you did forget to factor in is the impact on lost sales.

generik · Jan 14, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

Sorry, but using your reasoning that because GW and Factions are different games then 5 slots for TWO different games makes no sense. If indeed they are two different games (which they are) then why is having 8 slots such a stretch? You yourself said that you get 4 slots for GW and 4 for Factions....do the math when you add those slots together.

People pay for two different games so why wouldnt they get double the amount of slots? Tell me that.

But I dont hold out hope for 8 slots total nor will I throw a fit if that's not the case, but 5 slots total only is pretty ridiculous.

Tsk tsk.. as an American I am surprised you can make statements like this.

Think of it using the new Intellectual Property(tm) model.

You did not buy 2 games, what you bought when you purchased chapter 1 is the content for Tyria, and the ability to move 4 characters in Tyria.

When you buy Factions and register it as a standalone, you gain the ability to move 4 characters through Cantha.

When you buy Factions and apply it to your existing account, what you gain is an additional character slot, plus the ability to move FIVE characters through BOTH Cantha and Tyria.

Look at that again. Well, if you want to think of it as two separate games, fine. But you cannot discount the fact that you get "entertainment" and "happiness" from the moving of your existing characters from Tyria to Cantha, this "happiness" needs to be paid for no doubt.

Gli · Jan 14, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

All speculation and armchair economics aside, it's a simple matter. Like it, buy it. Don't like it, leave it alone. Speaking for myself: less than 2 extra slots and I'm not buying.

generik · Jan 14, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Gli

All speculation and armchair economics aside, it's a simple matter. Like it, buy it. Don't like it, leave it alone. Speaking for myself: less than 2 extra slots and I'm not buying.

It's your loss, the new ele armor does look pretty swello

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jan 14, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by generik

Well, if you want to think of it as two separate games, fine.

I dont think it as two completely separate games....I was using that other guy's words to dispute the faulty reasoning.

I understand your explaination and I can see the "logic" but that doesnt mean it's the best way to do things. There are also "logical" reasons for arguing for more character slots such as getting to use primary attributes of every class instead of just using it as a secondary....but it's way too late for that now...

I just didnt think it was asking to much to ask for at least 2 new character slots....and I sure cant understand why people think that request is unreasonable.

EDIT: Also I'm not american.

Loviatar · Jan 14, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

I just didnt think it was asking to much to ask for at least 2 new character slots....and I sure cant understand why people think that request is unreasonable.

EDIT: Also I'm not american.

i think 2 new slots are very reasonable.

EDIT FOR SLOT NUMBER

otherwise we gain 2 professions and get one slot behind with 5/8 as opposed to 4/6 (we were down 2 now 3)

i dont want to delete a character for wanting to choose both new professions.

Andy_M · Jan 14, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

I think asking for 2 extra slots is very reasonable. One extra slot would be cheap to say the least. Heck, for most of us a couple of extra slots wont be enough either. And of course more characters means more storage space needed, obviously.

I'm also hoping for a new selection of less cliched (and crap) faces. Along with a choice of body build (why are all the male warriors fat and all the male necros pug ugly ? ). I know we won't get those and we will have to put up with bad faces (be honest they are not much cop) and cliched body-types. Thats ok as long as we get extra storage and character slots though.

Loviatar · Jan 14, 2006, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

I I know we won't get those and we will have to put up with bad faces (be honest they are not much cop) .

Gaile said to look at the character creation screens to see the improvements so far in the additional choices for hair, faces, etc

remember it is still months from release so possibly more will be added (my hope not her statement)

Rosie Woogs · Jan 14, 2006, 03:14 AM // 03:14

now the question is, if you already have 2 accounts, will you have to purchase 2 copies of Chapter 2 to have access to the new areas on both accounts? or can you use 1 Chapter 2 cd-key to upgrade multiple accounts?

Loviatar · Jan 14, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by Rosie Woogs

now the question is, if you already have 2 accounts, will you have to purchase 2 copies of Chapter 2 to have access to the new areas on both accounts? or can you use 1 Chapter 2 cd-key to upgrade multiple accounts?

we should stikie this all over.

each account is separate and each account to be upgraded will require a copy of chapter 2.

2 accounts 2 chapter 2.

my suggestion is to buy one copy and see how it is than buy the second (or not)